ORIGINS OF THE HABIBI

A hybrid designed with the aid of modern science!  

We love that our breed is genetically diverse and free of in-breeding and line-breeding.  After carefully monitoring each litter, and infusing the appropriate qualities to correct faults, we have been able to improve areas that were lacking, while maintaining the positive traits without back-breeding and doubling up on the genes.   What was once a first generation cross, is now infused with lovely qualities from rare or healthy gene pools, to create a stable companion, ready for therapy, service, emotional support, or facility work.  

As we continue to observe our dogs, we have an open studbook, meaning, we are open to infuse breed genetics when appropriate, for further advancement of our beloved bears.  Hybrid vigor is our focus, not breed recognition by a breed club. When we DNA test our Habibi Bears, the wide gene pool is always present, which is proof that our dogs are not line or inbred.  

The Habibi  is  the perfect allergy-friendly family dog, with a very special job title....

We wanted a breed that will perform naturally as an Emotional Support, Service and Therapy dog for our clients with Autism and Special Needs.  We also needed the dog to be compact, so it can go everywhere we go, keep up with our active outdoor lifestyle, yet be perfectly content to have a day indoors, while being allergy friendly, low to  non-shedding... a tall order, eh? Well, we found we were not alone in these desires.  Like us, many families didn't want a shedding dog, and many needed a service animal, facility dog to take to work, on the airplane, camping and Starbucks! Many small breeds are dainty and frail, not made for the lifestyle of an active family with children. On the other side of the coin, our large breed enthusiasts wanted the same qualities in a larger package. 

 

All dog breeds known to mankind originated from the hybridization, or crossing of two or more breeds.  The first  two breeds are referred to as the 'Parent  Breeds', and the addition of more breeds are referred to as, 'Infusions'. Infusions are chosen to balance the breeding, diversify the gene pool and correct faults.  The resulting progeny can then be bred back to one parent breed to 'set' the line, called 'Back Breeding'.

 

The exact origin and history of most pure breeds is obscure at best, but not so for our beloved Habibi.  The Habibi's development has been carefully monitored and recorded from the beginning and has a unique DNA all it's own.  In the beginning we started with the Schnoodle to develop our breed, and over the years I wanted to have the freedom to improve my breed without the restrictions of being confined to only using these two breeds. As I looked for rare lines, I found breeders  developing new lines of merle, chocolate and parti colored Schnauzer and Poodles,  and I loved the idea of expanding the gene pool to incorporate these new colorations. Of course many of the breeders weren't admitting they were infusing other breeds to develop these colors, as this is frowned upon in the purebred world, but for my purposes, I couldn't be happier!   We had our first litters of these new colors and realized we have a very special little breed, they were different that the traditional Schnoodle, gentler, more intuitive, and they were killing it as service dogs for my students.....there was something unique with these dogs.    I wanted to know what was in the gene pool of these lines so I could continue to develop my own dogs.   

 

After DNA testing the lines, I discovered which breeds were infused in these dogs, and it seemed to vary depending on the dog and the breeder. They all had done a wonderful job getting a uniform type with their new lines, so I was intrigued and I wanted to be free to follow my heart as well!  I knew I was being guided to develop my own breed.    To further my mission of empowering dogs and humans through service and therapy work, we transitioned from Uptown Schnoodles to Confetti Schnoodles....and then I realized I could no longer keep my little dogs in a box, so  with that,  The Habibi Bear was born. 

As I have grown, I have purposely selected some of these infused breeds to further the Habibi line's gene pool.  Each infused breed was used to help stabilize characteristics we liked, correct flaws, and introduce a new gene pool to the breed--resulting in increased genetic diversity and hybrid vigor.  This is the method used to create all pure breeds we see today, however, sadly, the modern methodology of breeding pure breeds does not allow infusing any more.  Most clubs have closed their stud books, meaning breeds are not allowed to have the addition of other breeds into their lines to increase genetic diversity when needed, or correct faults or health issues that can negatively effect a breed after years of inbreeding and line breeding.  This contributes to the increase of health issues in any particular breed, due to lack of genetic diversity, or simply, lack of unrelated breeding pairs.   This is one of the many reasons we chose to develop our own breed. (Now this in no way reflects as a negative opinion of our beloved pure breeds, I love and adore them and have the utmost respect for the responsible breeders dedicated to their breeds, I thank you!)  For more information visit our Hybrid Vigor Page.

 

"After carefully selecting the perfect breeds to develop our line, we then fully heath screen every potential parent before breeding them.  Each adult must pass all health clearances to be used in our breeding program."

 

The Habibi Bear Magic

With the successful addition of our breed infusions to compliment our line, we have made a point to maintain the highest level of hybrid vigor. This is the Magic of our special little heart dogs we call Habibi Bears.  We have an amazing array of healthy DNA on both female and male side of our dogs, and our Habibi Bears have been carefully developed.

"Of course, the exact percentages and infusion of the breeds together to create the Habibi Bear is proprietary information---the end result is stealing the hearts of everyone they meet."

Breeds that make up the Habibi Bear

Standard, Miniature, Toy Poodle & Giant, Miniature Schnauzer  (Original Parent Breeds)

(Both traditional and new merle and parti colors. )

  • Effervescent, engaging personality

  • Loyalty and Obedience

  • Intelligence

  • Natural agility

  • Easy to train

  • Soft, curly hypoallergenic Coat adds body and wave to the puppy's coats

 

Bichon Family, Aussie (Merle Gene), Shih Tzu, Pekingese  (breeds found in the DNA of the new Poodle and Schnauzer lines of mini & teacup sizes)

Diversify gene pool with the excellent health of the rare gene pools

  • Lovely expression with large eyes and wide face, short nose set

  • Sweet, sparkling personality and family friendly breed

  • Soft fleece coats

  • Improve the earset of our dogs

  • Introduce the compact framework and cobby structure we prefer

  • Known for excellent hypoallergenic coat

  • Introduce new color patterns

  • Known to make excellent service, EMA,  therapy dogs- and wonderful with children

  • Correct the pointy face and create a more rounded teddy bear expression with round expressive eyes

  • Happy go lucky attitude and family friendly breed

  • Improve coat density and coarseness of the Schnauzer with the soft silky non-shed coat

  • Cobby Structure and thick boning to correct long legs

  • Long lifespan

  • New color patterns

  • Diversify gene pool further

The Moyen & Standard Habibi Bear Line  (additional infused breeds  found in the DNA of the new lines - Aussie, English Sheepdog, and Goldendoodle)

Effervescent, engaging personality

  • Loyalty and Obedience

  • Intelligence

  • Natural agileness

  • Easy to train

  • Soft, curly hypoallergenic coat of the Poodle added for little to non-shedding (some coats shed minimally)

  • New colorations including Parti Color and the Confetti/ Merle Gene

Meet The Habibi Bear

 We have improved faults and stabilized positive traits. The original parent breeds were infused with new DNA, and therefore, the Habibi Bear has been reliably producing our Habibi  ' Type' for generations, and as such its DNA is unique.   Some of the original breeds in the background are at such a small % they no longer show up in the DNA reports, due to the dilution, depending on the generation. Due to the wide gene pool, most DNA tests do not accurately identify the breed's genomes and can miss some breeds in the makeup entirely, or associate an entirely unrelated breed inaccurately, many times by matching coat colors.  (see article below)  From our point of view, we don't identify our breed by looking to the breeds in the makeup,  as all breeds are a mixture of unique breeds that eventually develop into the breeds we recognize as its own pure breed today.  Instead we identify our dogs  as a Habibi Bear,  which is the result of these DNA combinations that created a unique dog with its own  breed standard.   As we do not want to use traditional breeding practices of in-breeding and line-breeding to produce the 'type' (which would defeat our purpose), our DNA makeup will always register with many breeds in the background, as we are purposefully maintaining hybrid vigor.   

The Habibi  is now it's own breed that we are proud to be owned and loved by!   

After carefully monitoring each breeding, and infusing the appropriate qualities to correct faults, we have been able to improve areas that were lacking, while maintaining the positive traits.   What was once a first generation (somewhat inconsistent) cross, is now infused with lovely qualities from rare or healthy gene pools, to create a stable companion, ready for therapy, service, emotional support, or facility work.  

As we continue to observe our dogs, we have an open studbook, meaning, we are open to infuse breed genetics when appropriate, for further advancement of our beloved bears.  Hybrid vigor is our focus, not breed recognition by a breed club. When we DNA test our Habibi Bears, the wide gene pool is always present, which is proof that our dogs are not line or inbred.  

A note about DNA testing and result accuracy:

Whole Dog Journal Article 

Dog DNA Tests: Mixed Results

DNA tests that purport to identify the breeds in your mixed-breed dog are still a work in progress but the technology improves daily.

By Kathryn Socie

On a gorgeous spring day in Montana, I was heading back from a romp in the mountains with my three dogs when we stepped out of the woods into a meadow, replete with song birds and a smattering of open range cows grazing peacefully. My trail companions quickly discovered, to their absolute delight, fresh, delicious cow pies.

It occurred to me, however, that I didn’t know the MDR1 (multi-drug resistance gene) status of the newest member of my three-dog crew, Hap. MDR1 is a genetic predisposition to adverse drug reactions to more than a dozen common veterinary drugs, and the gene is found predominantly in herding breeds. Hap looks to be mostly Border Collie with maybe, just maybe, a pinch of Australian Shepherd, so having this predisposition could put him in danger in this situation. Cows are often given ivermectin as an anti-parasitic agent, and the drug can be found shortly afterward in their droppings; eating these droppings can cause a fatal reaction in a dog with the MDR1 mutation. So, I put a moratorium on the afternoon’s pie sampling, much to the dismay of my crew, and off we strolled into the sunset.

When we got home and I began looking up information on MDR1 testing, I learned that many of the genetic tests for breed-typing now also include genetic health screens, including testing for the MDR1 mutation. I thought, why not solve the mystery of Hap’s breed-mix and get health information at the same time? It sounded like fun!

 

Kathryn Socie-Dunning

How Do Dog DNA Tests Work?

While some of the early mixed-breed identification tests used a blood sample, all of the products on the market today extract DNA from cells swabbed by the dog’s owner from the inside of the dog’s cheek. The swab is sealed in a container provided by the company and mailed off to the company’s lab. There, technicians extract your dog’s DNA from the swab, and use computers to identify and compare specific bits of it to bits taken from dogs of known lineage.

The genome of a dog contains about 2.5 billion nucleotides (the building blocks of DNA); researchers focus on “only” about 200,000 of these individual genes – or rather, microsatellites or repeating sequences of DNA called single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs, pronounced “snips”) that form signatures particular to various breeds.

Researchers must have enough SNPs from enough purebred representatives of each breed in order to have an adequate array of SNPs to which they can compare your dog’s SNPs. The larger the company’s database of samples from purebred dogs, the better. When a company fails utterly to suggest ancestors of candidate breeds that are remotely likely, it’s probable that it lacks enough breeds in its databanks to find good matches for your dog’s SNPs.

Some Puzzling Dog DNA Results…

On the more comedic end of the spectrum, Hap, my happy, hoppy, flying Border Collie/mystery-breed cross was declared by Wisdom Panel to be 88 percent Border Collie and 12 percent – ready for this? – Boston Terrier! Having never even seen a Boston Terrier in Montana in my 20 years living here steeped in all things dog, this struck me as highly unlikely.

Since I live in a rural, ranch-heavy area and the shelter from which I acquired this chap is small and more like a herding dog rescue than a general open-door shelter, I struggled to imagine where Boston Terrier genes could have possibly come from. On the other hand, Hap is definitely the most playful, gregarious dog I’ve known and these qualities fit the personality type of the Boston Terriers I’ve met, so maybe. Perhaps there was a Boston Casanova passing through that visited a ranch at just the right time. Strange things can happen.

But sometimes, the results do test the bounds of credulity. Take, as a case in point, the results returned by DNA My Dog from a sample from Otto, a highly-mixed breed dog belonging to WDJ’s editor, Nancy Kerns. Otto has been tested by several companies (see “Otto’s Results,” below). The two companies with the largest breed databases returned fairly similar results. But DNA My Dog, a much smaller company, returned results that were not just completely dissimilar to the results from the two larger companies, but also incredibly improbable. The breeds suggested are highly unlikely to be present in Otto’s geographic area of origin, and even less likely to be present in the identified combination.

When Dog DNA Results Don’t Make Sense

The companies that offer this service have a few standard explanations for results that don’t seem to make sense.

None of the companies would admit that their reference databases are of an inadequate size to accurately identify the SNPs from your dog – but they might suggest that this could be true of their competitors.

All of the companies will be quick to explain that there are hundreds of thousands of genes that are responsible for a dog’s appearance, and that many breed combinations result in dogs who look very different than what you would expect from that mix of breeds.

Also, genes in mixed breeds do not always combine in the same ways within all litter-mates, so size and physical and behavioral characteristics in the same litter of pups can and often do vary, sometimes wildly.

They also explain that the complexity of your dog’s mix will affect the accuracy of the results.

First-generation crosses between two purebred parents are relatively easy to identify, but dogs who don’t have any purebred ancestors within several generations are much harder to identify with much certainty, as the length of the inherited SNPs that are unique to purebred dogs become much shorter with each generation of mixed-breed progeny.

Problems with identification can also arise when there is a lot of divergence within a specific breed-type, like in the case of Australian Shepherds and Border Collies, where you have field-bred lines and show-bred lines. The genetic signatures in the companies’ databases usually correspond with show-bred lines, so field-bred Aussies and BCs might even get assigned to a different breed altogether.

Embark and Wisdom Panel make it easy for consumers to contact them and ask questions about their dogs’ results. I called and asked a representative from Wisdom Panel to review Hap’s results with me and was told that the statistical confidence in the Boston Terrier finding was marginal, meaning there is a high probability this result is not correct. Hap could have 12 percent of something not represented in the Wisdom Panel database (such as field-bred Australian Shepherds), but since this unique signature does not currently exist in the database, he was assigned to the breed with the closest matching genetic signature. I was told that updates will be made to Hap’s report as new information is added to the database.

Otto’s Results

Otto’s results have morphed over the past eight years, with the unlikely Basenji disappearing and a bully breed and Australian Cattle Dog appearing in the mix. Note that the results provided by the two leading mixed-breed test providers are pretty darn similar – and that the results from the smallest company offering this service border on fantasy. (Those breeds are highly uncommon in Otto’s area of origin, and would be even more uncommonly seen in the same dog.)

2009: Wisdom Panel

German Shepherd Dog
Basenji
Chow Chow
Border Collie

2016: DNA My Dog

Level 3 (20%-36%): Collie, Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
Level 4 (10%-20%): English Setter, Norwegian Elkhound

2016: Wisdom Panel

12.5% American Staffordshire Terrier
12.5% Australian Cattle Dog
12.5% Border Collie
12.5% Chow Chow
12.5% German Shepherd Dog
37.5% (mixed)

2018: Embark

21.3% American Pit Bull Terrier
14.1% Australian Cattle Dog
13.2% German Shepherd Dog
12.3% Chow Chow
10.3% Labrador Retriever
8.0% Border Collie
4.3% Rottweiler
16.5% (“Supermutt”)

Kathryn Socie-Dunning lives with her husband and three dogs in Montana.

Our Habibi is a genetically diverse hybrid, and we have not seen accurate results from the DNA reports of our multigenerational lines 

At the end of the day, our focus is on developing a healthy hybrid that has the purpose of being a wonderful Service, Therapy, ESA, or Facility Animal.  Our dogs are consistently proving to be wonderful in these arenas and we are proud to raise them.   With our wide gene pool, we have rarely seen a DNA result accurately show the correct lineage, and many times some breeds are so far back in the gene pool they don't register.  We have even seen such inaccurate results from Embark showing Rottweiler, Dachshund  and Staffordshire Terrier resulting from our little mini parents of Coton, Shih Tzu,  and Maltese lineage, as well as the same dog being tested elsewhere with entirely different results.  All we could fathom is its picking up the marking and coat colors and matching to a similar marking.   We've been told this can also be due to improper sterilization procedures and picking up DNA from a dog tested previously.   Embark states on their site that the test shouldn't be used to prove breed percentages-- based off of certain DNA markers, it can pull a different breed when there actually isn't a different breed in their DNA.  (see their statement below)  Many breed clubs are not accepting results from these companies due to their known inaccurate results. 

 

 Whether the DNA results are accurate or way off in left field matters little, as the Habibi is a unique breed that has a wide gene pool and genetic diversity, and the results speak for themselves.  Our Habibi is not a Doodle, or Schnoodle or AussieSchoodle-doodle (some of the names I see people identifying the breed with)  It's a Habibi Bear.  The careful hybridization of complimentary breeds in the background of our lines creates puppies that all have the same characteristics, unique to the Habibi.

There are breeders of pure breeds finding the same odd DNA results (see below), and what we can surmise is it is proof that all breeds are developed by mixing breeds.  How fun is that? 

 

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